Engineers are probably the last people who would get to make that decision though. Even if they argued and threatened to resign over it they may fail to get any deference on such a decision. Unless they could successfully argue that for a technical reason they should keep it or add it. Which obviously doesn’t make sense, they already have many designs without it to iterate on.
So like I said, regardless if they get to decide or not, “they aren’t building them in”.
The company has decided not to put that hardware into the phones. The company doesnt want it. The conpany is not employing 3.5mm enthusiasts. The company doesnt like your ungrounded analog hardware being plugged into their digital inputs. The company has decided to allow USB-C adapters to fill the void of people who want to use analog equipment. The company hires people, but obviously they dont have anyone saying " ohhh what are we doing? We need to give TrickDacy a headphone slot!!"
Thats not how it works? Because im pretty sure thats how it works.
It doesn’t really matter that much I was just pointing out that you had specifically said the engineers weren’t adding a headphone jack as if to give gravitas to this decision, but they don’t actually make it. That’s all.
Should I point out some engineers that have a say to counter you now? Or are we just going to pretend that engineers never have a say on how they engineer?
Just take the L. You’re wrong. Engineers don’t decide featureset unless they also happen to occupy another role in the company. Jesus.
Also it’s funny how you’ve gone from “I’m right engineers decide it all” to “it doesn’t matter who decides it” and now we’re back to the former because you googled some atypical cases…?
They take a list of features given to them by product people who have gathered the requirements from all the interested parties. They then attempt to design all the technical architecture to support those features. They typically wouldn’t decide anything not related to technical aspects. Such as “this is impossible because of x, y, z” or “this is very expensive to do so I don’t recommend it”. It’s a push and pull but if an engineer ever said “we’re doing this feature because I want it”, typically that would be strange and they would not get their way.
Why do you ask? I am quite confused by this exchange.
Those responsibilities could include designing or validating a connector if that connector falls within the engineers area. But a decision like adding or removing the headphone jack is more than just them.
Engineers figure out whether a 3.5mm jack fits, design its electrical connections, test its reliability, and recommend keeping/removing it.
But they still “build it in”.
Ill take the L on saying the word engineer and you getting nit picky then backing off when I nit picky back, then you downplay my reponses as " dude you just googled this stuff like 5 minutes ago" because you know engineers build in USB-C ports and exclude 3.5mm jacks from their plans and get exhausted defending your argument that… Well i don’t even know how to explain what you’re arguing… That engineers arent involved with decisions? Even though that Apple post clearly says that the engineers must “own” their designs?
As someone who’s been a hardware engineer at Apple and left specifically because I saw they were getting rid of the headphone jack, it is not the engineers that get to make those kinds of decisions. The decision to remove the headphone jack was so they could sell you $100+ air pods that would then also work with your Apple Watch. It was not because there was no space or that ingress protection was unachievable, or it cost to much, or people didn’t want it. Trick Dacy is right.
By the way, I rock a Linux phone now with a headphone jack, removable battery, microSD, and have an Android with a headphone jack, microSD as my backup. If the Fairphone 6 had a headphone jack, which is the #1 requested feature on every forum post I’ve seen, it would be the perfect phone, especially given it can have both Android and Linux on it.
Are you trolling? You’re now trying to explain to me that engineers don’t get to decide the features? Literally what I said from the beginning. If you’re high or something that’s cool but don’t be so confident in an argument. This was…weird
Engineers are probably the last people who would get to make that decision though. Even if they argued and threatened to resign over it they may fail to get any deference on such a decision. Unless they could successfully argue that for a technical reason they should keep it or add it. Which obviously doesn’t make sense, they already have many designs without it to iterate on.
So like I said, regardless if they get to decide or not, “they aren’t building them in”.
The company has decided not to put that hardware into the phones. The company doesnt want it. The conpany is not employing 3.5mm enthusiasts. The company doesnt like your ungrounded analog hardware being plugged into their digital inputs. The company has decided to allow USB-C adapters to fill the void of people who want to use analog equipment. The company hires people, but obviously they dont have anyone saying " ohhh what are we doing? We need to give TrickDacy a headphone slot!!"
Thats not how it works? Because im pretty sure thats how it works.
It doesn’t really matter that much I was just pointing out that you had specifically said the engineers weren’t adding a headphone jack as if to give gravitas to this decision, but they don’t actually make it. That’s all.
Should I point out some engineers that have a say to counter you now? Or are we just going to pretend that engineers never have a say on how they engineer?
Just take the L. You’re wrong. Engineers don’t decide featureset unless they also happen to occupy another role in the company. Jesus.
Also it’s funny how you’ve gone from “I’m right engineers decide it all” to “it doesn’t matter who decides it” and now we’re back to the former because you googled some atypical cases…?
Answer me this, what do engineers do?
They take a list of features given to them by product people who have gathered the requirements from all the interested parties. They then attempt to design all the technical architecture to support those features. They typically wouldn’t decide anything not related to technical aspects. Such as “this is impossible because of x, y, z” or “this is very expensive to do so I don’t recommend it”. It’s a push and pull but if an engineer ever said “we’re doing this feature because I want it”, typically that would be strange and they would not get their way.
Why do you ask? I am quite confused by this exchange.
I know you’re confused, thats why Im explaining this to you.
Lets take a look at an Apple hardware engineer job posting:
https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200685079/hardware-systems-design-electrical-engineer-iphone
Those responsibilities could include designing or validating a connector if that connector falls within the engineers area. But a decision like adding or removing the headphone jack is more than just them.
Engineers figure out whether a 3.5mm jack fits, design its electrical connections, test its reliability, and recommend keeping/removing it.
But they still “build it in”.
Ill take the L on saying the word engineer and you getting nit picky then backing off when I nit picky back, then you downplay my reponses as " dude you just googled this stuff like 5 minutes ago" because you know engineers build in USB-C ports and exclude 3.5mm jacks from their plans and get exhausted defending your argument that… Well i don’t even know how to explain what you’re arguing… That engineers arent involved with decisions? Even though that Apple post clearly says that the engineers must “own” their designs?
As someone who’s been a hardware engineer at Apple and left specifically because I saw they were getting rid of the headphone jack, it is not the engineers that get to make those kinds of decisions. The decision to remove the headphone jack was so they could sell you $100+ air pods that would then also work with your Apple Watch. It was not because there was no space or that ingress protection was unachievable, or it cost to much, or people didn’t want it. Trick Dacy is right.
By the way, I rock a Linux phone now with a headphone jack, removable battery, microSD, and have an Android with a headphone jack, microSD as my backup. If the Fairphone 6 had a headphone jack, which is the #1 requested feature on every forum post I’ve seen, it would be the perfect phone, especially given it can have both Android and Linux on it.
Are you trolling? You’re now trying to explain to me that engineers don’t get to decide the features? Literally what I said from the beginning. If you’re high or something that’s cool but don’t be so confident in an argument. This was…weird