This will come as no surprise to any one given they are a .ml account, but now that they are attempting to discourage people from voting, they revealed their true face.
Edit: only now seeing they also post links to x.com still. I liked their content because I am anti genocide too, but it’s clear there’s a big the_donald vibe there.
The name of the community is literally “manufacturing consent,” and you’re arguing in favor of consenting to genocide. You’re the exact kind of reason the community exists in the first place
OPs complete lack of self-awareness is amazing, right? I count this as the third attack against a leftist comm on LW in eight days. I guess the MOG right-wingers are getting agitated, lol. How about the DNC stops standing up pro-genocide candidates, then we might be able to get along.
Tis the season!
How is encouraging people to vote the same as manufacturing consent?
Encouraging people to vote for people who support genocide is manufacturing consent for genocide
I’m encouraging people to vote. That’s it. Nothing to do with genocide.
And to avoid this from going too long, I’ve had a bit of a side discussion with geneva after this, and after asking multiple times, it’s pretty obvious they are a closet trump supporter, which is incredibly insincere, considering they are using the Palestinian genocide to do it.
No, it’s not obvious, at all. It’s just a wild, unsupported, bad faith accusation. None of the examples you provided do anything but make you look clueless about the whole topic. Minimizing the genocide in the way you are doing as though it’s just a niche side issue after you deal with Trump, is exactly the sort of thing that gets principled people offside.
It’s just a matter of perspective my friend. I am talking about getting people to vote to get trump out, and this particular vocal minority, fully armed with typical pro-trump supporting talking points comes in with what is essentially, ‘but what about the genocide’ whataboutism.
“How dare you say a genocide is whataboutism” Yes, exactly, that’s how whataboutism works. You derail, because you don’t like the original objective of getting people to vote, because your work for or are ideologically aligned with trump.
So, I’ll put you through the same test: are you a trump supporter?
That question was asked 3 times to geneva, and then they blocked me. If you, after all that happened, can’t say for sure your are not in favour to have the most corrupt creepy guy leading the most overdeveloped military in the world, you have in fact shown your true colours.
So you sweeping in here to defend that type of behaviour doesn’t look all that promising, but I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt.
I think trump is a disgusting piece of human filth. I also think America is the biggest threat to humanity in general. Trump is rapidly sinking American soft and hard power, and showing the world americas true colors.
He’s accidentally a great man of history, lol.
Saying stuff like that doesn’t help your instance reputation.
So you’re left wing, but think Trump is an accidental great man because he shoots his own citizens in in the street and bombs girl schools in Iran.
And your handle is non-confrontational, but you don’t shy away from a wee bit of confrontation.
I don’t mind trump supporters. I mind them being coy and deceitful about it. Just say you love trump. Say you don’t mind a pedophile as president of the most powerful nation on earth. Say it out loud. Let your daughters and your mothers hear it.
Idr why, but I also came to a similar conclusion about that user (like over a year ago I think). Though they might just be an accelerationist.
You did specifically say “vote against Ken Paxton,” and the only options for that are a rightwing libertarian, and someone whose official policy position is “Israel has the right to defend its people,” which is a straight up dogwhistle at this point
You’re using the word accelerationism wrong.
Accelerationist or just kalingrad payroll completely not having any ideals or values whatsoever.
I did say that, because context matters. This is a SENATE race in TEXAS. You get shot with cop applause if you say you’re a democrat or anything other than maga over there.
And i agree its a dogwistle, but what’s the alternative. Get people in Texas to keep Paxton and therefore Trump?
Get both houses blue, impeach trump, remove at least Thomas through impeach too, possibly that other kluklux justice with the upside down flags, and then install more progressives, preferably with a grassroots funded superpac, or get a better SC to overturn citizens united, roe v wade and that other one that unlimits campaign finance. And only THEN do I see a reasonable pathway to dislodge US politics from insane levels of zionist influence.
Anyway, learned a lot today about who pays for Lemmy. Turns out I walked away from one spez right into the arms of a bunch of spezzes, except these guys live in hiding.
I’m tired of shitlibs complaining that everyone isn’t supporting vote blue no matter who and pushing electorialism.
Lol hello this is exactly the type of thing I was warning about recently.
We say the same thing all the time and every few years they act shocked and pretend we’re all Russian bots.
So much this!! Happens every election and is very annoying.
I thought that community had a specific “no lesser evil” rule?
If so, it sucks but this is ydi based on what you said. I disagree with that rule when in place, but we are all supposed to at least glance at rules and not use a community if we’re unwilling to follow them.
If my memory is wrong, yup, ptb, which is par for the course
E: that’s a litteral screenshot of the community sidebar at the time of ban, not sure how that gets downvoted?
This election doesn’t offer an off-ramp to genocide
So then it’s not a democracy and it doesn’t matter if people participate in the sham.
On the other hand, if there is some semblance of democracy, then there is always an off-ramp to genocide or anything else, which is getting people to demand it. By giving your vote to a politician who doesn’t offer an off-ramp to genocide, you are choosing not to demand it, you are saying that you find what they’re offering acceptable, genocide included.
If a critical mass of people refuse to vote for a candidate over an issue, then they will change their stance on that issue if they care at all about winning. If all you say is, “Hey, we’d prefer if you did this, but it’s not going to have any impact on how we vote,” then it doesn’t matter how many people say that, they’re not going to change their stance because you’ve given them no reason to.
Stop letting politicians tell you what is and isn’t possible and start telling them instead.
I swear, the kind of trivial shit that will end a politician’s career because people think it’s kinda cringe, shit like the Dean Scream, and you think this is just set in stone because they say it is?
And I hear all that, and I’m fully on board with getting politicians to stop supporting the genocide, since there are at most 3 who even dare to talk about it, what do you propose we do this election? Just sit it out? Do nothing?
I understand this viewpoint. I think it’s less an opinion and more a neurological condition: being so embedded in an ideology which is by the power of AIPAC impossible to achieve in today’s political landscape. This is a rather neurodivergent absolutist approach hoping for a utopia any smart person know is not achieved within the parameters of today’s power structure.
I think expectating this situation to change first before we consider voting, is not going get us anywhere. So when applying this force of complete inaction to the current situation, you get more trump, more greater Israel. More Canada and cuba invasions, even less pedophile accountability.
And then I have to wonder, who runs .ml? If this ideology is being promoted so radically that people get banned even attempting to discuss this, the only outcome the .ml owners seem to want is to maintain the status quo, which makes them very disingenuous to the Palestinian cause. Come to think of it, they may have been the “never Hillarys” that brought us trump in the first place.
You don’t even need a tinfoil hat to see that if .ml is indeed russian made, trump is a russian plant (buy russian oil), then it all makes perfect sense.
Tldr; if a the response from a so called ultra left wing, anti nazi, pro palestine lemmy instance to the biggest right wing biggot, corrupt pedophile war monger in American history is to NOT vote him out by all means necessary, then that instance has revealed it’s true nature and purpose: to maintain the status quo, keep trump in office and let the situation in palestine further deteriorate.
I’m happy to debate and be proven wrong, but every .ml response I’ve got in the last 24h has been one paragraph indoctrinated slogans, or slurs or responses with very limited vocabulary.
And then I have to wonder, who runs .ml? If this ideology is being promoted so radically that people get banned even attempting to discuss this
You were banned from a community, not the instance. The community is run by Geneva_Convenience (who I have some problems with, but don’t really disagree with in this case).
You don’t even need a tinfoil hat to see that if .ml is indeed russian made, trump is a russian plant (buy russian oil), then it all makes perfect sense.
You do need a tinfoil hat. You’ve constructed a conspiratorial worldview where everyone who disagrees with you, no matter why can be dismissed as secretly working for sinister foreigners. Even if one group disagrees with you from a left-wing perspective and another disagrees with you from the right, even if some are Marxists and some are anarchists, it’s all “RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!”
If you come back down to earth, surely you must understand that not everyone agrees with you on everything. It seems like liberals have this extremely narrow range of what “disagrees with me, but isn’t a foreign asset” looks like and I’m pretty sure it’s just Bush-era neocons. It’s legit crazy. I seriously think y’all just need to read books, like, not even leftist theory, just anything outside of the present day culture war. Just to understand that other perspectives exist, beyond Fox News and CNN.
I understand this viewpoint. I think it’s less an opinion and more a neurological condition: being so embedded in an ideology which is by the power of AIPAC impossible to achieve in today’s political landscape. This is a rather neurodivergent absolutist approach hoping for a utopia any smart person know is not achieved within the parameters of today’s power structure.
“Impossible.” You sure like to throw that word around. What’s really impossible?
Every year, the gap between the rich and the poor increases. Every year, carbon emissions increase and the temperature rises, the weather itself becomes more and more unstable, making it harder to grow food. Every year, there are more refugees displaced, both from climates becoming uninhabitable and from the bombs we drop on innocent people for no good reason.
Nothing that we are doing right now, as a society, is sustainable. Which is to say that it is impossible for the things we’re doing to be sustained. The reasons why they’re unsustainable are not just because of human systems or individual politicians, but because of physical, natural laws.
Now, you say it’s “impossible” to divert course, and physics says that it’s impossible to stay the course, who do you think is gonna win? If we make a law that says we can flap our arms and fly, and the laws of physics say we can’t, who wins? And you say I’m the one with a “neurological condition?”
This mortal, human system can insist that it’s “impossible” to change all it wants. But it will. If it does not bend, it will break. I would prefer it to bend, I am trying to make it bend, and you keep telling me that it’s “impossible” for it to bend. Alright then, it will break. Not because of anything I do or say, not because I want it to, but but because it is physically unsustainable.
Any strategy or plan I present, you’d just pick apart and dismiss, because you don’t grasp that. It doesn’t matter what the system claims is impossible, there won’t be a system if we can’t make things happen. If you understood that, you’d be in the same boat as me, looking for a way to make the necessary changes and dismissing any strategy that just aims to uphold the status quo. But if you believe that you can sustain the unsustainable, or that you can trump physical laws with human laws, there’s no real point in discussing strategy because we’re not viewing the situation the same way.
Beautifully written!
I think we are on the same boat. But the mod of this community might delete comments because we are getting off topic so I’d rather not write a 5 paragraph response only to have it deleted. Point me to place where we can continue this discussion and I’ll join you.
We are in the same boat, I’d say our differences of opinion are merely because we don’t know each other well enough and some minor differences can’t be avoided.
I’m willing to discuss it anywhere.
I await your invitation. Just make a thread somewhere with decent moderation and tag me.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/77100398
@objection@lemmy.ml I think this is the second time I’ve posted a comment of yours there lol
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Discussions like this are prevalent on lemmy.ml, lmfao.
Quit while you are behind.
I see. You mod this place.
Even though you’re removing comments that encourage voting as off topic (which they technically are) but you can just let voting sink them to the bottom, I do want to commend you -despite clearly being much more aligned with geneva than with me, for not bulldozing my comments. I respect you for that.
It’s really sad how Liberal racists like OP think they can shame others into supporting their pro-genocide agenda, and go on a whine parade after getting shut down. And how normalized their behavior is around the internet.
My comments were removed and I was banned (again) for pointing out that Talarico went on to say that Netanyahu doesn’t have a right to wage war on civilians, that the violence in Gaza needs to end, that we should support Palestine as much as we can, and we should come to a two-state solution that gives Palestinians self-determinance.
Just to as an addition I did ban OP but I did not ban you.
I generally only start banning turbolibs when they start insulting people.
Your ban was from a .ml admin who don’t want Liberals on the server preaching their Liberalism. (based tbh).
and we should come to a two-state solution that gives Palestinians self-determinance.
Palestinians have the right to all of Palestine not an ethnostate next to them.
Palestinians have the right to all of Palestine not an ethnostate next to them.
The solution being…?
Like I said, the solution is that Palestinians get all the land and all the property on it. This is pretty easy no?
Like where do you think all the French people colonizing Algeria went? Hint: back to France.
The difference between us is that I don’t care at all what happens to the colonizers. My worry is about the colonized and how they can be compensated for their oppression.
The difference between us is that I don’t care at all what happens to the colonizers.
I think the difference between us is that I realize that’s a completely untenable policy stance for an American political campaign. “Kick all the Jews out of a country” is not a good look politically, regardless of the moral correctness.
"Kick all the Jews out of a country
I said colonists not Jews but let me reiterate I fully support your ban by the admins of my instance and I wish I had banned you myself.
Then what was the point of comparing things to French Algeria? I feel the same way about the colonizers but I sincerely do not understand what your suggested solution is. If a two-state solution is Zionism, what does that leave besides the dissolution of the state of Israel?
Congrats, you figured it out.
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Frequently wrong, never in doubt.
Telling people Biden’s crimes is trying to get people not to vote? The fuck?
No Geneva was trying to say in their OP that the candidate opposing Ken Paxton is a poor candidate, which is true, but as I have learned today from 2 threads in two ask lemmy communities on both instances: .ml doesn’t want people to vote.
They have no solution to get rid of trump, just the intention that they wish they could burn all of America and Israel, and don’t want to be called extremists, but also don’t really want to say those quiet parts out loud. (Possibly because they know their extremism could land them in legal trouble in some countries where their servers are)
The “but biden” is a far right dog whistle, which is interesting because .ml is supposedly far left, though the far sides can indeed be very close to each other when plotted on a circle.
So what’s the liberal solution to get rid of the Obamas, the Bidens, the Kamala’s, and the Newsroms? Becuase it’s never happened yet.
If your solution is only to remove one bad option and never focus on the less bad option that is not a solution either.
Electing progressives and anti zuonists to seats and the DNC to make it useful. Work has already started.
Progressives have already had the power to fight against the zionists, and keep chosing not to. They only pretend to fight against zionists when convenient.
Hell, look at you right now, defending zionists.
Yikes, guess we’ll continue on doing nothing then, thanks.
Can you point out where I said we should do nothing? Because it seems pretty clear to me that I never said that.
I love how libs have to keep making up arguments that I’ve never made, rather than discuss the things that I’ve actually said.
Just the general unhelpfulness, cheers.
The “but biden” is a far right dog whistle
Holy fuck, are liberals okay? Jesus christ, man.
though the far sides can indeed be very close to each other when plotted on a circle.
Hoooolyyyy fuck, lmfao!
Please tell me your dictionary has more than just the letter F. You seem to really struggle with basic comprehension and discourse in the simplest of languages.
You are a horseshoe theorist with absolutely no concept of how ahistorical and laughable of a position it is. Communists are the opposite of fascists. Liberals are a flavor of fascist.
You have reformist, liberal views and you are completely and utterly intentionally ignorant to Marxism. You’re not interested in truths, just paranoid xenophobias and conspiracy theories. You’re not prime for radicalization. The only thing left to do is point and laugh so others know what not to do.
Your clamoring for civility, as liberals do, is meaningless. Your comments in this thread are shameful. I am laughing at you.
But then, how come I feel great? I feel like I can do this forever. I have a postive can do attitude towards a broken system because I believe in humans, not in box thinking.
Good on you for using paragraphs and no swear words. You seem to proclaim yourself as someone of the enlightened variety whilst attempting to label me based on diagonally read comments.
Do tell, what do I need to know about Marxism that is relevant to my quest to help Americans to displose of their little orange problem? Make sure in your answer that it at least sounds like it is somewhat relevant, as I’m sure many will outside your echo chamber will struggle to see it.
I can see communists and fascists not being the same thing, but I’d say that communists, capitalists and imperialists have all had from time to time had to deal with fascists sneaking up in their power structures.
And who said I wanted to be prime for radicalisation? What are you? A Taliban recruiter?
Who even talks like that in 2026?
Continuing to display your imbecility is certainly one way to proceed.
I can see communists and fascists not being the same thing, but I’d say that communists, capitalists and imperialists have all had from time to time had to deal with fascists sneaking up in their power structures.
You can’t “see” anything. You base your conclusions off of vibes and refuse to study even cursory history before flapping your gums. You’re a perfect embodiment of a dumbass reactionary. Saying, out loud, that “imperialists have to deal with fascists too!” is perhaps one of the biggest self-reports I’ve ever seen.
You do not know anything about politics. This isn’t a debate, I am lecturing you. You don’t have the requisite curiosity and honesty to have a debate about politics.
Who talks about radicalization in 2026?
Literally everyone with even an iota of political education. The idea you dont know you’re radicalized as a liberal tracks, though.
Bro I’m not debating Zionism or Nazism with you, lmfao. Good luck finding a debate partner somewhere else.
If you were half as good as me as defending your viewpoint, I’d be scared too.
So far your “defense” has been “If you hate genocide, you must be a russian bot”, or “If you are against zionists, you must secretly want Trump to win”. I wouldn’t call that being good at defending your viewpoint, as much as I’d call it “Slinging around baseless accusations”.
Lmfao. Good luck with that, psycho.
A small but unfortunate side effect of the ongoing genocide in Palestine is that it’s given a legitimate cause to people who were previously (and still) cheerleading the attack on Ukraine, etc.
Also, this particular account (geneva) is fairly anti-semitic - eg. refusing to distinguish between jews and zionists.
The usual tankie shit.
100% agree with you about geneva_convenience’s tendency to conflate judaism with zionism. But there’s absolutely nothing wrong with calling out democrat (or any other) candidates who are soft on zionism. We need more, not less of that.
I agree, however, Geneva does the same every election cycle. I first saw them do it with AOC. This is voter discouragement and very well timed too. Never-hillary got us trump in the first place.
Aside from that, in the last 24h I’ve established that several of their .ml communities are designed as echo chambers to promote a very radical agenda and that they most likely don’t even care about zionism or the palestinian genocide. They just want to keep trump in power. And that’s fine, it’s a free world, but that they are cloack and dagger about it and allow this level of mod behaviour is pretty fucked up.
No, what happens is that folks like you get whipped up every election cycle into a lynching fervor, because you are desperate for Trump to lose and you have a lot of strong feelings. But instead of employing that energy usefully towards fighting folks who genuinely do wish you harm (i.e. the republicans) you are directing it at leftists and chasing shadows and foreign agents. Why is that? Just please do something more useful and positive with your time.
Polar opposite viewpoints, but at least we’re having civil discussion.
Your comment really read to me like you were describing genevas actions.
Just to be clear, geneva is the one who, instead of doing literally anything to improve the plight of the Palestinian people, posts about how mediocre the candidates opposing the republican candidate.
I don’t think you understand the agenda of the aforementioned mod and their instance admins. Instead of outright calling themselves the_donald.ml, they do it under the most roundabout way pretending to be progressive and to care about Palestinian people while in reality just trying to keep trump and the chaos he brings about.
Are tankies allowed to post their opinions in MoG? I think you are making bad faith assumptions based on vibes. Do you have clear evidence of your claims? It seems unlikely to me that geneva_convenience doesn’t care about the palestinian people, and it seems unfair to make that claim without substantiating it. You can dislike and criticise their opinions without jumping to wild accusations.
What is MoG?
I think you might find that this very well could be a payrol person who has very much no values or beliefs whatsoever, and just astroturfs for a living.
My updated opinion on geneva is based on this little sidebar (which may not be up for long, as I’ve essentially invited them to instance ban me)
posts about how mediocre the candidates opposing the republican candidate.
I don’t even care for GC, but I post about this because if candidates are mediocre how can they be seen as real opposition? Why is having demands of candidates a bad thing?
Browbeating people critical of democrats might feel cathartic for you but it’s just enabling the worst behaviors from candidates. Like for example the number of democrats who decided to go anti trans after winning their primary.
Never-hillary got us trump in the first place.
No, Hillary being an unpopular candidate, that ran on terrible policies, after Obama screwing over his voting base is what got us Trump the first time.
…a very radical agenda…
So being against genocide is a “radical agenda”?
…they most likely don’t even care about zionism or the palestinian genocide.
Do you have any evidence of this?
They just want to keep trump in power.
Ah yes, it couldn’t possibly be that they want both the pro-genocide parties to lose. It has to be one or the other: Thats The American Way
Hilary supported the trump primary run
Hilary got us trump
