• surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
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            Oh yes, yes. It’s your specific interpretation of the highly mistranslated book that is the deciding factor.

            Shit, I rolled my eyes too hard and I think I hurt something. I’m sending you the doctor bill.

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                See, I think they’re more Christian than you. The rosary is simply a reminder to pray quietly and not show off their religion. Something you seem to have missed. And what about not judging?

                It’s all moot. Y’all are arguing over different flavors of a fanfic. Real Jesus was nothing like the book.

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                  I’ll ask you again: yes or no, do you believe a church (the Catholic Church) which allows and enables its preachers all throughout its history to molest children is a church of Christ?

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                    Yes. Because God impregnated a child to birth your savior. Let alone the power differential. Consent was literally impossible.

                    And what’s good enough for the goose is good enough for the gander. Or gosling, in this case.

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                  The rosary is simply a reminder to pray quietly and not show off their religion

                  Nope, the Bible doesn’t say anything about beads. Prayer is meant to be simple. The rosary is adding to God’s word.

                  Revalation 22:18 “ For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book”

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                The guy you linked seems insane to me, no offense.

                Also wafer not being the body of Christ? Isn’t that during the Last Supper that Jesus says that this is my body? The wafers are just an analogue to that.

                Why is he worrying so much about honorifics like “Father” as well? This is just a bizarre wall of text.

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                  Ruben Israel was insane (he was an Arminian). But I at least agree with him on his list of Catholic errors

                  Matthew 23:9 says: “ And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven” Basically, it is directly against the word of God to call a priest that word.

                  But yeah, I agree with him on that list, not on his other Arminian ways. A comedian made a rather funny documentary on him it’s worth a watch if only for shits and giggles

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                    Who gives a toss about specific quotes like that? They’re mistranslated copy of telephone game word of mouth of stuff random people came up with hundreds of years after Jesus died. And that quote could just be saying don’t call you dad ‘father’ - which is just stupid.

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                Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee

                Luke 1:28

                Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb

                Luke 1:42

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              Incorrect.

              I’m from England, land of the Puritans (im not saying I am a puritan, but I’ve certainly inherited their anti-Catholic stance.)

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                Ok, then you are a minority even among Protestants.

                I’d love to see you explain to Catholics and Orthodox Christians how they’re not Christians and Christianity was somehow founded in 1517, 1484 years after Christ was crucified.

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                  First of all, I’m not saying that: true Christianity existed before the Catholic Church, there were others who taught more accurate doctrines like the precursors to the primitive baptists, Gottschalk of Orbais, Jan Hus, etc. alongside the Catholic Church: 1517 was simply a revival of these earlier ideas (obviously that’s way oversimplified, if I was to do so tell catholics, I’d explain it in a lot more detail, do my homework etc.)

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                    Yeah, nah, that’s not how Christianity works, or how religions work outside of tiny movements or strict organisations.

                    Almost from Jesus’s death Christianity diverged as the gospel spread through word of mouth, it’s why alongside the canonical Gospels you had various different non canonical Gospels, because before things were written down and a canon formed, people told different stories about Jesus.

                    You also had various different Christianities form straight from the getgo. The Thomasines, the Coptic Church, the Ethiopian church are major examples, The Gnostics are a more extreme example. Hell in the bible itself you see two different currents with Paul and James.

                    Also the idea that one follows the “One True Church” is a silly statement if you glance at the Bible or records of the early church. Do you attend a house church, where members of the community worship at someone’s home? Do you take communion as part of a symposium-like meal like the early Christians did in Paul’s time? Do you reject traditional property norms, holding things in common? Do you, as Jesus said before telling us the Lord’s prayer, reject big public shows of piety and long babbling prayers, only saying the Lord’s prayer?

                    As religions spread, they begin to develop variations, with Protestantism doubly so. Saying Catholicism isn’t a form of Christianity is akin to a Theravada Buddhist saying that they are the only true form of the Drama, or an Anarchist saying a Trade Unionist isn’t a leftist.

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            Tell this to hardcore catholics on the countryside and they will bring back human sacrifice only for you

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            Matthew 16:18 And I say to you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.