For those wondering:
A botched execution doesn’t invalidate the underlying conviction, and a death warrant orders a completed execution, not a finite number of tries. She’s still in custody and technically still subject to another attemt.
If I were her attorney I’d push to have her sentence commuted to life without parole, citing that her physical condition makes lethal injection extremely difficult, and that what’s she’s been put through constitutes cruel and unusual punishment.
Speaking personally, in a civilized society, we’d be as horrified at what’s been done to her as we are at what she actually did. Don’t care to argue with anyone about that, that’s just how I see it.
Speaking personally, in a civilized society, we’d be as horrified at what’s been done to her as we are at what she actually did.
I am even more horrified about what’s been (and being) done to her, because it is coming from an allegedly “sane” group of people, whereas she was clearly a victim of insane abuse herself, not only that but also with actual organ damage from what I read about her case - I think substance abuse of her mother during pregnancy, and being a toddler in a room full of dog poo?
Occasionally, in this sadistic, cruel world, people snap. Sometimes even without having been victims of abuse themselves. Some are born psychopaths (but even then: is there a meaningful interpretation of “evil” in the sense that these people chose to be violent? Or does the problem start when their mind is in a place where effecting violence on others is even an option?).
But for a society to enact corporal punishment, it has to be truly barbaric and utterly depraved. Not to mention the torture leading up to that, with solitary confinement and decades of a literal blade hanging over your head.
Protect society from violent criminals, by all means, lock them up if that’s needed. But don’t expose them to cruelty. That is never going to make anyone a better person, it only turns those committing the cruelty into psychopaths. Also, regular inmates with lifelong sentences are cheaper to society than those on death row.
None of the cruelty brings her victim back to life. But the cruelty committed against the murderer may cause the next cruel and violent murderer from among the children of the tormentors of death row inmates, some of whom will suffer abuse by their psychopathic parent.
If I were her attorney I’d push to have her sentence commuted to life without parol …
That’s exactly what her attorney is asking for.
Smart guy. He clearly read my comment. 🧐
I still say we need to bring back banishment. Negotiate with Canada to let America use Baffin Island as like a new Australia, but way, way colder.
Why not just give them to ICE? ICE loves vanishing people to random countries where they’ll probably die anyway. /s
in a civilized society
Not relevant here, this case is happening in the US
We have a story in Hungary from medieval times about a guy who was let off because he had so thick hair, the headsman’s axe didn’t take over three tries.
A botched execution doesn’t invalidate the underlying conviction, and a death warrant orders a completed execution, not a finite number of tries.
So Margaret Atwood lied to me?
remember in america, the ones who administer lethal injections are as a rule incompetent.
you may think i am being hatefull to executioners, but it’s more complicated then that. if you are medically trained you say an oath to do no harm, doing so anyway will cost you your medical license. so the one who prepares and administers the injection is not medically trained.
also the chemicals are not produced in or by medically licensed pharmaceutical companies. and raw chemicals that are legally allowed to be used are not allowed to be sold to the prisons who do lethal injections. so they have to order from ilreputable sources, who are also incompetent. you may remember the big discussion over some states voting on being allowed to chance what chemicals can be used to kill people.
so it’s not unheard of for people to survive their execution, and why they recover at the hospital after. the executioner is a moraless incompetent who is back yard mixing cut chemicals with an aura of legitimacy as paper thin as his credentials.
Meanwhile we’ve got entire hardware stores full of sledge hammers.
And guns…
And she’s now at the hospital where they are trying to keep her alive. Like can’t they decide? Do you want her to die or not?
The hospital staff are obligated to keep her alive. They won’t take part in the execution by letting her die.
Most lethal injections aren’t administered by doctors because it would violate the Hippocratic oath, and in some places can get their medical license revoked.
So she’s going to bounce back and forth between the people trying to kill her and the people trying to keep her alive, because that’s how our system is designed and it doesn’t offer a better alternative to this situation…
I dunno. She received the full punishment. It just didn’t take.
Full sentence is death. She ain’t dead.
They also didn’t tell the hospital when they brought her in.
Every time the state botches an execution, remember that that same state found them guilty.
(The state is too flawed to have the responsibility, in my opinion. A lot of innocent people are sent to prison. I don’t think that she is innocent by any means, but the Innocence Project proves that the state is often not very just)
How do you fuck up an execution? It’s really not that hard to kill a person. Just ask her.
I heard in a podcast that she suffers from a blood disease which could affect the lethal injection. She and her lawyers have repeatedly tried to request that the death penalty be carried out by hanging or firing squad instead, but this was rejected by the judges.
Wow wtf. So a reasonable judge could’ve prevented this but they were too focused on sanitizing the image of what they’re calling “justice”. If they hung or shot her it would look as brutal as it is. But if you make someone “sleep forever” that’s not terrible right? Or at least that is their thinking.
Non medical people making execution drugs because medical professionals took an oath to do no harm
I mean… Still, it’s not hard to put something in someone that would kill them. Pretty sure you can get non medical arsenic or cyanide or something. Honestly, I’m kinda against the death penalty in general, but if it’s going to happen, they should fucking do it right. I’d much rather get shot than injected
They could just do the fentanyl that’s killing all the addicts so regularly. IV push 1000mg of fentanyl, that’d kill a blue whale.
I’m just going to say it, fuck the USA and their medieval injustice system.
I read this book, Reincarnation Blues, where this society rehabs people by hugging them and reminding them of how to be a good person. Seems better than lethal injection
Straight up medival torture
Worse, arguably. In medieval times they wouldn’t (be able to) save them from the brink of death only to execute them when they have recovered.
They should just let her free at this point. She won.
Personal opinion. I do not agree with the death penalty. Also a personal opinion, if the death penalty is applied, it cannot be barbaric and inhuman. Personal self-awareness. If a loved one was harmed horribly,… this is why we have a jury of our peers. No person could be unbiased.
Reverend Mother Pike.
Well the Guillotine never failed
Seems, once again, none of you read beyond the headline. Do any of you actually know what she did to be sentenced to death? There’s no fucking way she deserves to be released.
On Jan. 12, 1995, 18-year-old Pike, her boyfriend Tadaryl Shipp, and her friend Shadolla Peterson lured Slemmer to the woods in Knoxville, Tennessee.
There, Pike and Shipp tortured Slemmer and bludgeoned her to death. Pike believed Slemmer was interested in her boyfriend, according to court documents.
“When Slemmer tried to flee, Pike sliced her stomach with the box cutter. … As Slemmer begged for her life, Pike repeatedly kicked her in the face. Pike then cut Slemmer’s throat as she begged for mercy,” the Tennessee Attorney General’s Office wrote in court documents.
After Slemmer made one final attempt to escape, Pike smashed the back of her head with a rock, they wrote. Shipp also carved a pentagram into Slemmer’s chest, and Pike later showed off a piece of Slemmer’s skull to a friend.
Fuck this woman. She doesn’t deserve freedom. Finish the sentence humanely if they’re going to do it or put her back in prison for life. But do not release this psychopath.
No one talks about releasing her. Also, read about her backstory and tell me you are sure you wouldn’t snap after being exposed to that kind of abuse.
Edit: okay, some people in this thread lower down are actually saying let her go. My bad. I am not advocating for that anyways.
Given her backstory and decades in prison, I doubt her mental state has improved
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The state took their shot and missed. To try again would be Cruel & Unusual. She doesn’t have to be released, but her sentence should be commuted to Life Without Parole, which she certainly deserves. But the Death Penalty is off the table for her.
