• grue@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    Holy shit, are their lawyers really so incompetent they don’t understand the difference between holding the copyright and owning a copy? They need to get a refund for the Cracker Jacks boxes they got their law school diplomas out of!

  • Canaconda@lemmy.ca
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    9 days ago

    By that logic piracy cannot cause damages above the retail value of a single copy regardless of how many times it was downloaded because ultimately they only stole 1 game.

    They really think we’re that stupid… not without good reasons unfortunately.

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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      9 days ago

      By that logic piracy cannot cause damages above the retail value of a single copy regardless of how many times it was downloaded because ultimately they only stole 1 game.

      Yeah…

      The problem is you think the logic is wrong and not the punishment for illegal downloading should be at absolute most, the cost of a personal copy. Even if you made the download 100 times for reinstalls.

      Which honestly, is how it works…

      The thing is people that don’t seed are assholes, and for every person you seed to, you just distributed it to them. And if/when that can be quantified, that’s when huge charges rack up.

      Like there was a porn company that seeded their own videos, logged IPs, and anyone they could identify was sued for distributing to every other person, regardless of if they could be identified. I think that shook out with greatly diminished charges, but I can’t remember

      As far as how to fix that,change the laws so instead of user, it’s percent of data. 100% seed ratio would mean you took a copy, and provided a copy. Which would make most piracy not worth the effort of rights holders to enforce. Although Felony theft limits can be as low as $200 in some states and under 1,000 but that being so low due to inflation is a totally different problem.

  • Cossty@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    I’m sorry to say guys. I’m the only person who owns Lord of the Rings book. It is what it is. I don’t make the rules. If you ask me nicely, I might let you read it.

  • DaddleDew@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    They’re trying to say that owning a copy of a video game is not possible as if it hasn’t been the way it always was for decades until they changed that.

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      9 days ago

      as if it hasn’t been the way it always was for decades until they changed that and still is, despite their fucking lies

      FTFY.

  • huppakee@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    Exactly why only one person owns the Game of Thrones books and another guy owns the Game of Thrones series. What a loser argument this guy has.

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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      9 days ago

      That’s the exact argument…

      If you buy a book from GoT, you own the physical pieces of paper the book is printed on, not the words. The reason it costs more than blank pages, is the words printed on there. But you don’t “own” the words. Just the pages that have the word printed on.

      If you buy an electronic copy, you don’t “own” anything except the rights to have a copy of that.

      Same for games.

      You don’t “own” the game, you own the physical media the game is on. If there’s no physical media, then there’s nothing you own.

      The reason it’s the same for games and books, is why it’s the same for TV, music, and every other form of media.

      • Grimy@lemmy.world
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        9 days ago

        You buy the content first and foremost. The disk is just what it’s on, you own the physical disk and the content.

        If I buy a game on gog, does nobody own it? Does it even exist? This is such a stupid point to try and make.

        We don’t own games not because they are digital, but because of malware embedded in it. Not sure what you are trying to defend here.

      • The_v@lemmy.world
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        8 days ago

        The counterargument to that is pretty straightforward…

        Books, and other physical media have no inherent time limit on the use. So when I buy a book, I expect to be able to have it for the rest of my life, the life of my kids, maybe even grandkids. I do not own the copywrited material, but I do own the physical copy.

        So the reasonable expectation of ownership of the copy when the terms “Buy” or “Purchase” is used , is it’s a permanent purchase of the copy. We have a clear terms for time limited purchases, it’s called “Rent” or “Borrow”.

        Therefore the retailers using the terms “Buy” or “Purchase” deliberately decieved the customers for the terms of the purchase aka fraud.

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          8 days ago

          So when I buy a book, I expect to be able to have it for the rest of my life, the life of my kids, maybe even grandkids

          What?!

          Maybe if your buying archival quality hardbacks and never taking them off the shelf…

          Thinking every book will last 40-90 years is not reasonable.

          But to be honest, most takes I’ve seen about this hasn’t been reasonable

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            8 days ago

            I have cheap paperbacks from the 1960’s and 70’s I bought at a second hand bookstore in the 90’s on my shelf.

            They are fragile and yellow but still sticking together on my shelves and for when I want to reread them. It helps that I live in a region with low humidity.

            Hell I gave a few books I inherited from my great-grandmother from 1910-1920. They were on decent paper but not the best quality.

            Most of my cookbooks are 40-50 years old now and they are pretty beat up but still in reasonable condition.

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              8 days ago

              I searched to check…

              Paperbacks average 10-20, hardbacks 40-60.

              But obviously that’s not every book. The more it’s read and the thicker it is the faster the spine falls apart. Obviously a hardback threaded together with heavy paper is better than pulp and cheap glue. But there’s a lot in between the extremes.

              I could buy a cheap paperback, throw it on a shelf, and it will look perfect.

              That doesn’t mean the glue didn’t magically degrade and it will hold together thru a normal reading tho

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                8 days ago

                The point is that the publisher isn’t going to revoke your access to the physical book at any time. It’s a durable good, and whether the materials last one year or five hundred years is irrelevant to the fact that you (and all subsequent owners) have the legal right to the unimpeded use and enjoyment of the book for as long as it lasts.

                When you PURCHASE/BUY/OWN a copy of software, it is reasonable to believe that you have the legal right to the unimpeded use and enjoyment of that copy for as long as it lasts. That means no “always-online” requirements that make ongoing communication with the publisher mandatory, no chance of access to the software being remotely revoked, and no restrictions on gifting or reselling the copy.

  • DupaCycki@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    Sony hard at work to be the next Nintendo.

    Pirate all of their shit. Jailbreak your PS if you can. Do not give them a single penny.