• group_hug@sh.itjust.works
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    18 hours ago

    For some reason? We don’t live in a star trek like utopia. This is exactly how this technology is supposed to work in a capitalist society.

    Just imagine when you are in a self driving car you will have no choice at all.

    You could be moved through multiple toll roads. Or which toll owner is the highest bidder. Google knows everything about you through your.data. if you are poor you will be routed out of the way or into parking lot like traffic while other roads are kept clear for the affluent.

    People talking about self-driving cars and the need to solve the trolley problem are out of touch with reality. The trolley problem is solved. The richest person in the accident will always survive. And that is easily determined by your data.

    This is the world we live in and how the tech will be used. It’s the same issue with the"AI is just a tool" folks.

    A knife is just a tool too. But would you want to live in a world where all the knives are owned solely by socio paths that have all the power in society?

  • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Always check no tolls. It’ll always recommend the toll, unless there is an accident or major traffic disruption, even if it only saves 1 min. Rarely are tolls worth it outside peak hour.

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      2 days ago

      One time I was making my way home, about a 4 hour drive, and set it in google maps. I had forgot to turn off tolls,and started driving. It was a real surprise when I ended up at a ferry to cross Lake Michigan. I dont think they took cars, and it was 11pm anyway so they were closed. Thanks google! Idk how thats supposed to help when the ferry is scheduled for every couple hours. Who would even want that option? It didnt save any time unless you could hop on a ferry as soon as you got there.

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      2 days ago

      I wish there was a way to set how much I value my time and every extra mile driven, so that it would select only those tolls that are a good trade-off.

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    2 days ago

    Or, it’s faster but you need to zigzag through residential streets and eventually make dangerous left turns into traffic without a light or stop sign to stop the heavy traffic in both directions.

    Oops, it took too long to turn so it’s no longer faster-- why didn’t you just stay in the main boulevard? Silly human.

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    2 days ago

    So many here are so happily accepting the very concept of a toll road, it’s kind of gross.

    • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      would you rather have general taxes be higher? someone has to pay for road upkeep.

      in my state we refuse to raise the gas tax, so tolls go up, registration fees, etc.

      we had a law that pegged the gas tax to inflation, and a ballot measure removed it, because the citizens are idiots. so now we all pay like double our registration fees.

      • Psythik@lemmy.world
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        Yes. Higher taxes for the rich are always the answer. They alone can afford to cover the costs. For anyone making $1 mil/yr USD or less, your taxes from all sources should be $0. The lowest paid citizens are the hardest workers; we deserve a break.

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          1 million is too high. Start at 250K as the lowest taxed (not counting below that which is zero) and it goes up proportionally from there. And no cap in it either, if someone makes a trillion their tax should be over 100%.

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        2 days ago

        And we can assume all those roads with the privately owned toll booths are in perfect upkeep? Pay that toll like a good corporate citizen, hard work is its own reward, etc etc ad nauseum.

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      In most countries, every highway is a toll road instead of taxing fuel. Though an increasing number use a prepaid vignette or plate based mail billing instead, not actual physical tool booths like we’re in the 80s.

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    Yeah, but it brings you past this commercial zone where a number of chains and franchises pay Google a lot of advertising money.

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    The most generous guess is that it is doing some exploratory investigation of how long the other paths are currently taking. For any navigation app to be very accurate for most users, it needs to be very inaccurate for some users. It won’t know that taking this 30 minute detour is worth taking without someone taking that detour and another person sitting through the traffic that made the detour worthwhile. And since traffic changes over time, it would need to continually do that exploration.

    Though it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s not the only factor and that there’s some enshitification going on on top of this. One guess in that angle: a special secret VIP mode where people who have given Google a lot of money get people directed away from their route.

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    Every time I visit my family in Wales Google tries to take me away from the perfectly reliable A55 and onto some ungodly assemblage of extremely narrow country roads and tenuous mountain passes. Sometimes it offers them to me but I’ve caught it secretly changing my precalculated route without my input. Unfortunately I’ve tried several alternatives (various osm apps, here wego) and the only real alternative is Waze… which is owned by Google. We are nothing but cattle to them. I think Google is trying to kill me.

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    Google maps has taken to routing me onto unsafe roads for walking and biking instead of available trails which are 1000x safer. They removed the “beta” marker long ago but it was shit like that they were concerned about getting sued for. Instead of focusing on fixing shit like that they were busy monetizing and only removed the beta marker once they realized they were legally invincible.

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    2 days ago

    In any case, alternate routes are only faster for the first three people who use them. After that you are no worse off in the first traffic jam than in the alternate traffic jam.